This post is a live blog of the special council meeting on Monday, June 27.
See this post for background on this afternoon’s meeting. The main issue is the matter of Nelson Transit and whether to reduce service to balance the budget, which has a $128,000 deficit.
4:27 p.m.
In attendance today we have councillors Donna Macdonald, Bob Adams, Deb Kozak, Kim Charlesworth, Robin Cherbo and Marg Stacey.
From staff is Kevin Cormack, city manager, Rodi Devuono, the city’s garage and transit superintendent and Kevin Schubert, regional transit manager from BC Transit.
From the media we have myself and Bob Hall of the Nelson Star. Hall is the editor of the Star and there’s much comment about seeing him at council, covering a temporary staff shortage while his new reporter moves to town.
2a) AFKO job creation program
The French association in Nelson wants the city’s to write a letter of support for their application to add a temporary staffer to improve their communication tools and promote their 25th anniversary celebration.
Coun. Donna Macdonald asks if the city has a policy on how to handle requests for letters of support, especially if there are competing community groups.
Cormack says there’s no consistent policy but they try to support groups in reaching their goals.
Macdonald says she doesn’t know of any other Nelson group applying for these funds, which are from the Columbia Basin Trust.
Council approves the request.
Just before that vote Mayor John Dooley joined the meeting.
2b) Nelson Transit review
4:38 p.m.
Coun. Kim Charlesworth, who’s chairing the meeting, reads through the city staff report, which lays out the problems. See the earlier post (linked to above) for the background.
Along with the requested reduction in service, there’s a review of Nelson Transit underway, expected to be due in late fall 2011.
They’re going to move through the recommendations one at a time.
First they accept the Nelson Transit Review.
The review has not been provided to the media yet.
There’s something about a hub location.
Macdonald has extreme reservations about reducing bus service along Crease and Richards. That route supports low-income housing and seniors residences.
Why is that still being cut in the report, she asks.
I just noticed Tim Schafer, from the Nelson Daily, sitting at the back of the room. That’s all the media.
Cormack says that’s a starting point for the city and they’ll move from here.
Macdonald says her sense is the Richards route is highly used but the staff report suggests eliminating that route. We don’t have the information, she says.
It’s quite a radical change in approach to transit and we’ll have some interesting discussions with the community moving forward, Macdonald says.
Charlesworth says the details of changes to public transit will be ironed out in consultation with the community.
Dooley says with the RDCK they’re also looking to reduce waste in the transit system. He wants to know how that regional look will be incorporated into the public consultation.
Cormack says that’s why they’re also recommending there be a presentation on the Nelson plan and the regional plan.
Council votes to accept the report.
Charlesworth suggests the skip recommendation two (which deals with specific short-term cuts to service) for the moment.
Council agrees and approves the recommendation to direct staff to work with BC Transit and the RDCK.
They next go to the recommendation to:
That Council request that BC Transit present both the Nelson and regional service review recommendations to the public during 2011/2012 with the goal of implementing these new routes in late 2012 or early 2013.
Dooley says he’s concerned 2013 is too far away and would like to see it done by 2012.
Cormack notes there’s an election between now and then and the next council and RDCK board could have different priorities.
Dooley says they’re trying to stop the financial bleeding from Nelson Transit that’s costing Nelson taxpayers money and he wants to see things change faster.
Cormack says they won’t see the regional plan until late fall of 2011 which is why they’re working to tweak the current system before they can look at a larger-scale change to transit.
4:54 p.m.
Dooley asks Cormack what strategy staff have to reduce some of the money loss. That’s the items in the second recommendation (skipped earlier by Charlesworth) which they’ll look at next, says Cormack.
Charlesworth asks if council wants to change the wording to have staff have the report done by 2012.
Macdonald says it’s up to them, the elected official to ensure this report is done in 2012.
Kozak moves they amend the recommendation to take out reference to 2013, preferring the report be done earlier.
Cherbo suggests they have a new council so they shouldn’t pass this amendment. His argument falls on deaf ears and council says they should have it by 2012.
Next they go on to:
That Council request that BC Transit complete a full feasibility study on creating a downtown transit exchange on Victoria Street between Stanley Street and Ward Street.
Stacey is opposed to having a transit exchange on Victoria Street in that area.
Cherbo says there’s a hardship for people to move the exchange up from Ward and Baker Street, especially for seniors or handicapped people.
Stacey says she’s worried about idling affecting the Capitol Theatre and physical interference with business delivery (equipment and other items) to the theatre. She also doesn’t want exhaust going up to the Oso Negro patio.
She’d like to see the exchange go between Stanley and Kootenay streets, further down Victoria.
5:05 p.m.
Macdonald moves staff consider both locations, stretching from Kootenay Street to Ward Street..
Adams says they should leave the exchange where it is, or perhaps in front of the Capitol Theatre. The Capitol is the only business on that street, he says. Anywhere else would have too much of an impact.
He asks how many buses they’d have.
Devuono says they’d have buses there two or three times a day.
Stacey says it’s too much and she’s worried about seniors having access to the theatre.
Cherbo comes back to the access issues for seniors and people with disabilities.
Kozak suggests the whole of Victoria Street be considered in the feasibility study. Maybe it could be elsewhere in the downtown, she suggests.
Dooley says they should open up the discussion to the two-block spread to get all the options out for the community to consider.
Council approves the amendment to include both blocks and now they approve the motion to have a feasibility study for those two blocks on Victoria.
“That was supposed to be the easy part,” says Charlesworth.
The debate to cut service
Now they move onto the issues to remove service.
Cormack updates them on transit revenue.
Fare increase didn’t happen until May 1, but they’re on target for their revenue numbers prior to that. Revenue is up. If we stay on that same pathway we should realize our transit fare revenue predictions, says Cormack.
They’re still going to run a deficit.
The fares were just going to cover $28,000 of the $128,000 deficit, he says.
The bigger problem is parking meter revenue. It wasn’t implemented until April and is lower than anticipated. He might be because people are being more careful with their time.
He’s projecting a best case $100,000 to $110,000 short on the parking meter revenue. They had projected a $300,000 increase in parking meter revenue, $100,000 of that was to go to Nelson Transit. The remaining $200,000 was to go elsewhere.
1) No Sunday service – $31,000 a year. $13,000 in 2011.
2) No service for Perrier Road – between $7,500 and $14,000 a year. $2,500 to $4,500 in 2011
3) No service for Crease and Richards – between $21,000 and $27,500 a year. $7,000 to $9,200 in 2011
4) No school specific service – $21,000 a year. $6,700 in 2011
5) Lower summer service – $31,000 a year. No impact in 2011.
There are different numbers for the yearly impact and 2011 because the changes would take effect in August or September.
Schubert, from BC Transit, says the cut to Sunday service would have the least impact on the transit service. Reducing summer service would also have less impact.
Cherbo wants council to go to the public before making these changes. He wants feedback before they make changes. What if we get some kickback and have to change them back, he asks.
Charlesworth notes they’re the only system in the Kootenays that provides Sunday service right now. There is no plan to implement Sunday service in any of the other areas at this point and time.
Dooley says there’s a few flaws in the staff report. They can look at transit as a social aspect, in which case they could provide service to every street, but they need to look at the numbers.
The cost of operating the system increased $128,000 in 2010 and is expected to go from $220,000 in 2008 to $400,000 in 2011.
The savings they’re going to realize with these proposed cuts aren’t much, but they need to start looking at these, he says.
“That’s our responsibility by being here at the table,” says Dooley.
He really wants people to understand transit will cost $400,000 in 2011.
“From my perspective, we cannot continue to offer what we have in the past,” Dooley says.
Macdonald says she agrees with the mayor and that’s why they’ve been working with BC Transit over the past couple of months. The long-term changes proposed (in the report they accepted earlier) are a radical change and they’ll have to talk with the public about it.
“We want to have good transit. We’ve had it for over a hundred years and we’ll need it in the future,” says Macdonald.
Cherbo says they have to go to the public before they make these decisions. Maybe the public want a one per cent tax increase instead of transit service cuts.
“I feel we’re throwing darts in the dark here,” Cherbo says.
1) No Sunday service
2011 savings: $13,000
The cut is approved by all except Cherbo.
2) Cut Perrier Road service
2011 savings: $2,500 to $4,500
Macdonald says all these cuts are done with reservations but this service is outside the city limits and so it makes sense. “If we’re making service reductions outside the city limits this makes sense.”
Part of the Perrier Road service is outside city limits. Someday, beyond the next few years, there could be a rural bus service.
5:32 p.m.
Stacey says they’ve put out to the public that their biggest problem in the budget was transit and they’re going to correct it. So here we are, correcting it, she says.
People aren’t going to be surprised, she says.
The cut is approved by all except Cherbo.
This item was reopened later on, see below.
3) Cut Crease and Richards Streets
2011 savings: $7,000 to $9,200
Macdonald moves they delay this option until they have better data on usage and possible options for removing that area.
She’s seconded by Cherbo and Adams puts his hand as well.
Cormack says they could have more information. Dooley says they could delay this for every motion.
There’s service for the seniors like the Handy Dart, he says. There’s still a bus route a block and half away from those streets, to Silverking campus.
Kozak asks if Dooley is right. Staff say it could be more, up to four blocks. If you’re in the housing near the college you have to walk down to West Innes to catch a bus.
Macdonald says she’s concerned about this option because of the density of people in the area and the nature of people living there: low-income residents and seniors.
This item is deferred. Kozak, Adams, Macdonald and Cherbo vote to defer this decision. Stacey and Dooley vote against it. I missed Charlesworth’s vote.
4) No school specific
2011 savings: $6,700
This includes the overload routes when some students can’t get on a transit bus and Waldorf school.
It won’t affect the North Shore route.
Schubert says this could positively affect their fleet requirements.
Macdonald asks what about the students who get left behind? They’ll have to catch the next bus, a 30 minute wait for most routes.
Stacey puts a positive spin out, suggesting students can explore more extracurricular activities.
This cut is approved by all councillors.
5) Lower summer service
2011 savings: none
It takes six to eight weeks to develop a route schedule and print it so they can’t do this for this summer, says Schubert from BC Transit.
In the course of answering this question, Schubert says something that suggests BC Transit doesn’t think removing the Perrier Road service is a good idea. Charlesworth asks if that’s actually BC Transit’s perspective and Schubert confirms that.
Council moves on and now they vote on reducing summer service next year.
Cherbo asks what that means. Schubert says they’ll reduce the frequency of the bus routes, going from every 30 minutes to every 45 minutes or hour.
Now it appears they’ll have to reprint the riders guide and that could cost thousands of dollars. It’s normally printed in January but with all these reductions, that will happen this year. Nelson would have to cover the cost of the riders guide.
The cut is approved.
2) Cut Perrier Road service revisted
They’re revisiting this item because of the associated costs to the riders guide. The other service cuts don’t need changes to the riders guide.
Macdonald moves they reconsider it, seconded by Cherbo. Stacey is the only one to vote against it.
They now vote on the motion again and defeat it.
Dooley says they should include Crease and Richards as well.
Macdonald moves they eliminate Perrier Road Jan. 1, 2012 (to coincide with the new riders guide).
The cut on January 2012 is approved.
The special meeting is adjourned.
Back in an hour for the regular committee of the whole meeting.
After the meeting I picked up a copy of the Nelson Service Review report on Nelson Transit and will have more on that later this week.
6:02 p.m.