This post is part of council’s discussion on capital projects for the 2011 budget. It will be updated throughout the morning as talks progress. This post wil look at the proposed capital projects from the public works department.
11 a.m.
Chinatown plaque
Price tag: $4,000
Allen Fillion, head of public works, talks with council about a proposed plaque for Vernon and Hall.
The Columbia Basin Trust has put up $1,500 to this project as well.
Cormack says the waterfront master plan has identified Hall Street as a major connector between downtown and the waterfront.
Coun. Marg Stacey asks why they don’t put the plaque on the wall. They’re cheaper and don’t get in the way of future plans.
Council asks for assurances the project won’t become more expensive. When the project was initially proposed at an October council meeting, it was $3,000.
Coun. Deb Macdonald asks why they’re being asked for such a huge proportion (100 per cent) of the project. The skatepark proponents offered to pay the whole cost she says.
Mayor John Dooley says the skatepark proponents offered.
Council suggests the city go back to the Columbia Basin Trust and ask for more money because the cost of the project has increased.
Fire hall renovations

Photo by Chris Shepherd.
Price tag: $230,000
This price tag is an estimate and would require a $160,000 expense in 2012.
Work to date on the fire hall showed there’s no insulation at all in parts of the second floor.
Work on the building already started to improve the wiring. Not proceeding with this project would mean an increased operating budget to cover utilities and less usable space in the fire hall.
Coun. Kim Charlesworth says she doesn’t understand how this project fits in with a feasiblity plan they were presented with.
She understood there would be some recommendations on which path the city would go down around capital upgrades to the fire hall.
How do you know where you’re going in terms of this building, she asks.
Grypma says the plan for the fire hall was supposed to go into the overall city plan for all the buildings.
Regardless of what the fire department does with the building, these improvements need to be done to ensure this building stays a building of value to the city.
The fire department has long-term plans to eventually move out of their current location. No future site has been selected.
Cormack says since they did some work, like repairing some walls, they found there was no insulation at all and they can’t ignore that fact.
Cormack says the improvements are a prudent expense.
Mayor Dooley says these improvements need to be done but it also looks to commit the city to using that building as the fire hall for many years to come. Letting the building fall apart isn’t an option, he says.
Coun. Donna Macdonald says they need to be aware of public sentiment about why they should put money into that old building. It will be a good payback in the long term, she says.
Coun. Kim Charlesworth asks about the $160,000 in 2012. Grypma says that is the rest of the fire hall and the ground outside the garages.
There were some occassions this winter where the fire trucks were starting to slip downhill as they were parking them.
That $160,000 could be reduced if they don’t work on the ground. The ground work would allow them to heat it, melting the snow.
Charlesworth asks about a earlier report (called the Fairbanks study) that suggested they make the building earthquake proof.
Grypma says it would cost $2 million to make the building earthquake proof. If they were to make the structural upgrades necessary, the steel beams that would be added would make it impossible to park the fire trucks inside.
Grypma says the fire hall is one of the most unique and beautiful fire halls in the province. It was built 100 years ago and functionally, the fire hall is lacking.
There is provincial regulations that say fire halls need to be earthquake proof so they can be used as centres to respond to major disasters like an earthquake.
Charlesworth says she would be more comfortable if they knew where they’re going with the building. How long are they planning on using the fire hall has a fire hall?
Grypma agrees with Charlesworth.
Kevin Cormack, city manager, says if they chose to go with a new fire hall, they need to look at whether it makes sense to put the police and fire departments in the same building. That’s a question they’re looking at and yet they’re upgrading the police station. Cormack says the work there is a prudent way to ensure the buildings stay functional and useful.
Dooley says the reality is the more work they do to the building makes it harder to decide they should build a new fire hall in the future.
He also wants a more accurate estimate of the costs to the budget can be as accurate as possible.
“For me right now, it’s too wishy-washy,” says the mayor.
Grypma says he’s been working with engineers and architects to get hard costs. He hopes to have that done before the capital budget is approved.
Coun. Marg Stacey asks when was the last time they had an earthquake in Nelson. Why do we have to follow those requirements?
Cormack says it’s a provincial statute they have to follow. They have an exemption for the time being because of the age of the building.
Coun. Deb Kozak says emergency services are important and will increase in the coming years. She wants them to consider the functionality of the buildings.
She’s heard from residents that protective services are expensive and there needs to be a clear rationale for increased costs.
11:33 a.m.
Charlesworth says given the uncertainty of the actual dollar figures and that tomorrow afternoon is when they’re going to make their decisions, which figure are they going to consider?
Cormack says they’re better off to budget higher so they don’t have to borrow or go into reserves to accomplish what they’ve set out to do.
Nelson and District Youth Centre
The roof needs to be replaced and soon, says Allen Fillion. Christine Schmidt, who runs the centre, says they’re looking at adding a second storey to that building and believes they can “limp along” with the current roof.
Cicada Place, a youth housing facility, did do a study some time back that looked into using the roof for housing.
Coun. Donna Macdonald has some historical context. She says housing on the roof didn’t happen when Cicada Place was built because the council of the time wanted the building to retain its potential for industrial use.
Parkade
Resurfacing – Price tag: $70,000
Fillion says they did reno work in 2010. Work done in 2010 was based on a report done in 2007. What they found was the surface had deteriorated even more than anticipated. They didn’t do all the work necessary.
“If we don’t do the work this year we’re exposing ourselves to even higher costs in the future,” says Fillion.
The risk is water and salt getting into the concrete and causing damage.
This project would also look at fixing tsome beams in the structure. The resurfacing would be done on the top level of the parkade.
Macdonald asks about the business plan for the parkade. Are they breaking even? If they aren’t, maybe they should reassess the plan, she says.
Fillion says he has had that thought before. They’ve never done a formal business plan. It brings in $50,000 a year in revenue. Every five years they have to sink in large investments like this. The year-to-year upkeep runs roughly $7,000 a year.
Dooley says they should discuss the cost of parking. Larger communities are much more expensive.
The current operator sets the parking prices, says Fillion. The contract with the operator comes up in the next year.
Coun. Deb Kozak asks about how much of the revenue that’s directed elsewhere.
Cormack says the $50,000 goes into general revenue.
Civic Centre
Energy audit – Price tag: $30,000
This is to do an energy audit like what they did for the library and city hall. It will give them a plan for what’s really needed in the long-term.
Fillion says this is a good estimate and could be a bit high. It’s based on what they paid for the earlier audits.
Macdonald asks if it makes sense to spend this money if they don’t know what the city’s plans are for the building.
Fillion says it does because the Civic Centre isn’t going anywhere.
Capitol Theatre
Plans for the Capitol came out of the city’s greenhouse gas emission study. In the plans are $39,480 for an improved heating system and $12,000 for another part of the heating system.
These costs will save the operator an impressive amount of money, says council.
Charlesworth asks why staff haven’t included a line item in the budget for evaluating all the city-owned buildings.
Swetlikoe says an integrated proposal hasn’t been developed yet. On the operating side of the city’s budget some of these things are being looked at.
11:58 a.m.
Lunch time. After lunch, the police department.